Fountain: Questioning the Beak [Archive]

TEAMBAJA

12-22-2006, 11:59 AM

I have a question about the beak on a Fountain. To me, it seems the beak would be wasted space in the cuddy. Is there access to the beak to use as storage for things like extra oars, or fishing poles? :confused:

No bashing here, this is an honest thread! :D

scarabIII

12-22-2006, 12:12 PM

I believe it's wasted space and add's a little over all length.

drainplug

12-22-2006, 12:52 PM

Space for a small safe for the gold chain collection maybe? :D :D

CigDaze

12-22-2006, 01:59 PM

The fountain beak is a mysterious and deceptive apparition. I've been studying and analyzing different boats lately, fountain being one of them, and have run a few computation fluid dynamics analysis. The beak actually has a very important purpose on Reginald's boats. It contributes quite appreciably to bow lift and eliminates a high-drag, high pressure zone found on most "blunt-nosed" boats, it also streamlines and begins separating the airflow between the hull sides and deck, somewhat alleviating the typical dual-conic vortex trailing "drag bucket" found on most vees.

The additional bowlift also reduces the amount of trim necessary to carry the boat at a level attitude at high speeds, which allows for the thrust to be directed more directly with the direction of travel further reducing drag.

Summarily, chopping the beak off a Fountain would result in loss of speed and handling.

In my professional opinion, the beak can categorically be considered a lifting device - which is explicitly prohibited by most racing sanctioning bodies - ask Fabio Buzzi.

:eek:

Bomar76

12-22-2006, 04:33 PM

I am surprised Reginald doesn't have tailfins on his boats, a la 1958 Plymouth "for aerodynamic effect"

http://www.classicsandmore.com/Sold%20Cars/58_Plymouth_storefront.JPG

RHC

12-22-2006, 05:01 PM

Oh ,,, just stop it,,, its Xmax ,, Leave it alone,,, Stop being a company man!!!:popcorn: ;)

RHC

TEAMBAJA

12-22-2006, 05:05 PM

Oh ,,, just stop it,,, its Xmax ,, Leave it alone,,, Stop being a company man!!!:popcorn: ;)

RHC

There will be a BAJA questioning thread soon too, dont worry. Right after I start the Apache thread! :D

ToddLahey

12-22-2006, 08:08 PM

Seems that acording to Nick old Reggie was way ahead of his time when he designed the "Beak" back then he had no access to the technology that Nick has today.
I am sure he did it back then just because it made them look fast!

tmmiibaja

12-22-2006, 10:43 PM

Ever try to stuff one? What about a standard front end boat?

cuda

12-22-2006, 11:48 PM

Hydrostream was the original beak boat. ;)

TEAMBAJA

12-23-2006, 04:23 AM

Ever try to stuff one? What about a standard front end boat?

What do you consider a standard front end boat?

Ive stuffed everything from 19' to 40', usually on purpose! :D

tmmiibaja

12-23-2006, 02:04 PM

What do you consider a standard front end boat?

Ive stuffed everything from 19' to 40', usually on purpose! :D

You won't get wet in the Fountain. You can also see!

I called BS on this one when I first heard it. I am a believer now.

Bomar76

12-23-2006, 05:21 PM

Anyone gonna mention the 6" freeboard that Fountains feature?
I was curious about that untill I saw Reginald was 4'3" tall...

birdog

12-23-2006, 05:48 PM

Naaa....I'm gonna leave this one alone.....:p

rbtnt

12-23-2006, 06:41 PM

I personally like the holes on the stern that are near the water line. You can back into waves and wash the bilge at the same time. :cool1:

TEAMBAJA

12-23-2006, 07:41 PM

You won't get wet in the Fountain. You can also see!

I called BS on this one when I first heard it. I am a believer now.

If I couldnt purposely stuff a Fountain I'll quit my job.

THRILLSEEKER

12-23-2006, 11:14 PM

You won't get wet in the Fountain. You can also see!

I called BS on this one when I first heard it. I am a believer now.

So basically your saying that the beak is the same as having training wheels on a bicycle????:Bunny1:

SKRAMER

12-24-2006, 10:27 AM

I love fountains:DrunkAgain:

bajalion

12-24-2006, 04:40 PM

I've never heard of a fountian (under 47') that did not stuff at least once. Please correct me if I'm wrong. My "little" 32 baja has never stuffed...lord knows I've tried.

bajalion

12-24-2006, 04:48 PM

Not trying to bust the guy in the fountian but case in point:

TEAMBAJA

12-24-2006, 06:53 PM

Not trying to bust the guy in the fountian but case in point:

Holy sh*t, thats an interesting picture!

THRILLSEEKER

12-26-2006, 11:02 AM

I personally like the holes on the stern that are near the water line. You can back into waves and wash the bilge at the same time. :cool1:

Ive heard of more than one sinking that way.:rain:

Bomar76

12-26-2006, 11:34 AM

Ive heard of more than one sinking that way.:rain:

Hey man!
It's 10:30 AM and you are in Key West!!!!
Should't you be falling down drunk on the beach by now instead of reading our ramblings???? :Drunk101: :devil:

THRILLSEEKER

12-26-2006, 12:29 PM

Its raining. blah

Bomar76

12-26-2006, 12:36 PM

Rain in Key West beats a wet cold December day in Ohio....

bajalion

12-26-2006, 12:49 PM

Holy sh*t, thats an interesting picture!

BTW the width is an optical illusion. They are all 8'6"

bajalion

12-26-2006, 12:53 PM

Its raining. blah

You can still bite me.

TEAMBAJA

12-26-2006, 01:39 PM

Its raining. blah

Who's posting under Tonys name?

The real Tony would say, "It doesnt rain in the bar!":Drunk101:

DonziGirl

12-26-2006, 02:57 PM

He has to pick me up from the air port in a couple of hours :D

TEAMBAJA

12-26-2006, 03:19 PM

BTW the width is an optical illusion. They are all 8'6"

Have you ever been in the cuddy of any of them? The fit and finish usually looks nice, but holy crap is it ever cramped down there!

Bomar76

12-26-2006, 03:20 PM

To the dwarf that designed them, they are spacious and roomy.

REDCHECKMATE

12-26-2006, 06:48 PM

The FOUNTAIN BEAK high in the air.... just like some of their owners ..NOSES

ROGUE

12-26-2006, 07:01 PM

ahhhh, fountain dont know **** about beak. Now heres a BEAK.

THRILLSEEKER

12-26-2006, 07:02 PM

TEAMBAJA

12-26-2006, 08:20 PM

I love the look of the 42 and 47 IMO all the rest remind me of an inflated condom. Cabins are tiny, same flat dash pannel on every one, same steering wheel that came off of the OFFROAD arcade game, lack of cup holders, oh yeah and the left handed throttoles :yawn: I hate the look of Mcleod interior, they seem to be a fast boat but from what I have seen dont last long in rough water, and the re sale value sucks. Definately not a boat for me.

That cracks me up everytime you say that about the steering wheel off the OFFROAD Arcade game. Mostly because its true.

The left handed throttles are the worst thing IMO. I know alot of people dont like the setup on our 30 and 35 Outlaw(some claim to hate it), but after getting used to the shifters on the left (throttles on the right), you probably wouldnt want it any other way. I think there is less chance of those "panic" errors in docking situations having the shifters and throttles seperate.

tmmiibaja

12-27-2006, 12:29 AM

Baja Lion, your boats hull and super deep drives make it a lot more conservative than a stepped hull and notched transom.

I dont like the 24/27/29's. They are small and look goofy. No room any where. Freeboard between the 29 and 272 Baja is pretty close, as is the 420 Baja and 42 Lightning....

Get some seat time in one and you will like the left hand throttles. Most people are right handed, are you saying you want your weak hand on the wheel?

Whats next? Lamborghini/Porsche/Ferrari suck because they dont have a back seat like a conversion van......

Get into one with someone who truly knows how to drive one, then come back and say they suck. Get into one with Martin Sanborne and watch how he uses the tabs and how most owners use them.

bajalion

12-27-2006, 01:41 AM

Not trying to get into it with anyone but is it what ever you want.

I want a safe boat with lots of room for a reasonable cost. As most here know I'm about bang for the buck. I personally believe that there is more to a fountain name than the performance for the price.

Regarding layout my boat is set up for my ergonomics not somebody elses. I do not race, have full power hyd steering, therefore I like my touch controls on the right. I've had 10 people on my boat before with relative comfort (they fit)

Regarding the exotic car comment. I've head this before. Are you going off roading with a porsche cayenne? I wish luck to the 32' fountain to keep up with my boat with the same HP in 4' plus waves. These seem to be the norm around the lakes these days on the weekend.

buck183

12-27-2006, 10:49 PM

All this thead needs to get going in the right direction is some comments from Cashbrain. :D

Buck

TEAMBAJA

12-27-2006, 11:04 PM

All this thead needs to get going in the right direction is some comments from Cashbrain. :D

Buck

You could post a link to it on OSO and make me look like an ass for starting it! :D

TEAMBAJA

12-27-2006, 11:05 PM

ahhhh, fountain dont know **** about beak. Now heres a BEAK.

I dont know man, Ive always considered that a plank on your boat! ARRR!!

bajalion

12-28-2006, 01:34 AM

Please don't, I really do not have that much excess testostrone anymore.:o

Ironmanwb

12-28-2006, 12:14 PM

Get some seat time in one and you will like the left hand throttles. Most people are right handed, are you saying you want your weak hand on the wheel?

Whats next? Lamborghini/Porsche/Ferrari suck because they dont have a back seat like a conversion van......

Get into one with someone who truly knows how to drive one, then come back and say they suck. Get into one with Martin Sanborne and watch how he uses the tabs and how most owners use them.

I don't disagree with you first statment but then with the cars wouldn't you want the shifter on the left so you can steer with your right as well?

Plus who needs to steer ..........I WANNA GO FAST.

tmmiibaja

12-28-2006, 12:46 PM

I don't disagree with you first statment but then with the cars wouldn't you want the shifter on the left so you can steer with your right as well?

Plus who needs to steer ..........I WANNA GO FAST.

It all goes down to what the general public wants. How many have actually driven that way a few times? Very few.

Show me a somewhat affordable right hand drive car in the states.

The last person I knew who had one paid 90k.

cuda

12-28-2006, 03:16 PM

The original beak boat.

bajalion

12-28-2006, 04:02 PM

I have put a fair amount of time in right seat time in some airplanes. I must say it's a bit unnerving having the trottle/mixture/prop pitch/flaps and trim on your left to begin with but you do get used to it.

The right/left thing is WAY overrated.

TEAMBAJA

12-29-2006, 09:21 PM

I had steering and throttle on the port side of my little Checkmate. I wasnt really fond of it, but it was ok for that boat.

DonziGirl

12-30-2006, 12:25 PM

The right/left thing is WAY overrated.

I agree. You can get used to driving pretty much anything. One of our old boats had a foot pedal instead of a throttle

CigDaze

01-02-2007, 10:19 AM

Since someone did mention freeboard, I thought I should share what I posted on OSO a while back. :D :D :D :D :D

Ironmanwb

01-02-2007, 12:27 PM

I drove an actuall safari style range rover that had the steering on the right, and you had to shift with you left.........it was weird but I got used to it.

dd24skater

01-02-2007, 09:20 PM

Hydrostream was the original beak boat. ;)

Allison had it before hydrostream was around

tmmiibaja

01-02-2007, 09:56 PM

Your avatar kicks ass.

buck183

01-03-2007, 09:14 PM

You could post a link to it on OSO and make me look like an ass for starting it! :D

I wouldn't do that to ya. While it would be funny, some can't seem to handle humor anymore. I do my best to stay out of it when possible.

I will keep it in mind just in case I owe ya one or anything in the future though. :Wall:

Buck

TEAMBAJA

01-03-2007, 10:08 PM

I wouldn't do that to ya. While it would be funny, some can't seem to handle humor anymore. I do my best to stay out of it when possible.

I will keep it in mind just in case I owe ya one or anything in the future though. :Wall:

Buck

Thanks Buck!;)